• weariedfae@sh.itjust.works
    14·
    2 days ago

    Ok. Calling me out like that. It’s fine, I deserve it.

    I store everything “temporarily” because “I’ll sort it later” on the Desktop.

    It’s never later.

    • sykaster@feddit.nlEnglish
      2·
      1 day ago

      The most items I had on my work desktop was 1366, they were overlapping on my screen and windows+D would lag the whole computer. It was glorious.

  • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
    551·
    2 days ago

    I shit you not, IT around 2004, I had a nurse who stored all her important docs in “Recyle Bin”

    She put in a ticket that her computer was slow. We scheduled a time to look at it and made sure she knew to be there.

    When I showed up, she had left to go to lunch on purpose so she could take a free long lunch. I asked her manager to call her back in, she refused.

    I diagnosed she was out of space, and emptied her bin.

    That did not end up going well.

    She was furious, Her boss was mad. My boss was pissed that it happened but considered it reasonable since she refused to be there.

    I spent the better part of 4 hours undeleting deleted recycle bin contents which is WAYYYYYY harder than undeleting deleted files. They’re already UUID’s and bringing them back into existence will not put them back in the recycle bin, all that meta is gone.

    • sleen@lemmy.zipEnglish
      8·
      2 days ago

      Project designer: the project function is self explanatory.

      User:

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
        7·
        1 day ago

        I asked her what the fuck she was thinking later in the process. She knew that files weren’t supposed to be there She just thought it was a good idea, and was very defensive borderline offensive about being able to store files wherever she wanted.

        My first inclination was she was just putting non-work-related stuff in there so that her manager would never see it. But no, there were hundreds of megs of work related stuff. I recommended she not store the 500 megs of personal digital camera fodder on what computer if she was that tight on space. Hard drives of this era were only a handful of gigs large. She just flipped out some more demanded a bigger disc. I had a private consult with her manager and mentioned that We could get a bigger desk but it was going to come out of her budget. She declined.

        A year later we did SOX compliance and as part of that we deleted emails over 3 months and deleted any recycling bin data over a month old. I made sure her manager noted this and that it would delete her preferred file storage and never heard another word out of them.

  • sk1nnym1ke@piefed.socialEnglish
    9·
    2 days ago
    • New_document.docx
    • New_document_1.docx
    • New_document_111.docx
    • New_document_12.docx
    • New_document_12aaa.dox
    • New_document_12aaafinal.docx
    • devilish666@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 day ago

      I wish someone make github but for documents. Image your documents can be forked by someone and has many branches and revisions, it must be hilarious.

      • EvilCartyen@feddit.dk
        7·
        1 day ago

        You can literally just upload a library of documents to github or another repo service like codeberg. That’s basically what a code project is, a bunch of files.

        • luciferofastora@feddit.org
          1·
          1 day ago

          The main difference being that code is typically stored in plain text files, where you can more easily compare and merge differences, while some other document types are harder to diff usefully. That doesn’t mean you can’t use git to keep their version history, it just means resolving merge conflicts might be a bitch.

      • dustyData@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 day ago

        You just described SVN. It’s what we used before the invention of git. And is still used today for team projects that use complex file formats, like images, binary blobs, 3d models, that sort of stuff. It will work with any files.

    • absentbird@lemmy.world
      296·
      2 days ago

      ISO 8601 is YYYYMMDD (or YYYY-MM-DD in extended format)

      Are you really going to wood chipper someone for leaving off the leading 20? I think we can safely infer the century and millennium with a high confidence, why not trade them for two extra name characters?

        • absentbird@lemmy.world
          51·
          2 days ago

          Here you go gramps:

          (shortD) => {
    return parseInt(shortD.slice(0, 2), 10) > 50 ? "19" + shortD : "20"+shortD;
}
          • 5C5C5C@programming.dev
            13·
            2 days ago

            Did the software industry learn nothing from Y2K? Was it too long ago already for people to remember the mess we made for ourselves?

            Saving two characters in a file name is not worth the hell you are leaving in your trail by shoving this nonsense in an obscure corner of production code that people are going to forget about until it’s too late.

            • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              3·
              2 days ago

              Their grandchildren will be pissing on their graves over it.

              I often wonder what files may outlive me.

              People have kept old physical remnants. There are obviously famous examples but there are far more mediocre examples.

              All the unique content I’ve created fits on a modestly sized hard drive so keeping it around would be trivial compared to maintaining all those physical remnants.

            • absentbird@lemmy.world
              21·
              2 days ago

              It’s just a filename, calm down. The created by date is tracked by the file system and the repo.

              • seralth@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                2 days ago

                And you assume that changes to filesystems, new filesystems being created or other such things won’t at some point create a edge case that creates a problem?

                When you could just be safe? Sounds stupid as fuck to me to blindly trust nothing will happen to create problems.

                • absentbird@lemmy.world
                  21·
                  2 days ago

                  I understand you feel very strongly about four digit years, but I really don’t see any situation that I couldn’t sort out with a simple script.

                  Usually I don’t put dates in file names in the first place, but when I do I use the UTC timestamp; a date without a timezone is inherently fuzzy, and it’s easier to compare and differentiate numerical times.

                  If someone used two digit years in their naming convention I wouldn’t even blink, let alone get the woodchipper, life is too short to get angry over stuff like that.

        • LousyCornMuffins@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          are we just talking digital because i’ve inherited archives. my current one only goes back to the 1950s but in the next decades i expect to get some going back centuries.

      • 5C5C5C@programming.dev
        101·
        2 days ago

        I recently had an accountant file something for the IRS that was dated as expiring in 1940 when it should’ve been 2040. I had to catch it myself after reading through 70 pages of dense forms before it was sent off, and I could’ve easily missed it.

        Digital records have existed long enough now that it’s downright irresponsible to leave off the century for anything where having an accurate date might even slightly matter.

        • absentbird@lemmy.world
          51·
          2 days ago

          The exact date of creation is usually preserved in the filesystem, we’re just talking about what to name the documents themselves. The filename should be short and to the point, it gets truncated if it’s too long, and on windows you only have 260 characters for the entire path to the file plus the name.

          • 5C5C5C@programming.dev
            7·
            2 days ago

            If two characters are hurting your 260 character limit then you have other more serious problems to contend with.

      • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        So, was the time of murder 20th of October 2021 - 1:25 PM or 21st of October 2020 - 1:25 AM?

        Depending upon that, you may/may-not have an alibi.

        • absentbird@lemmy.world
          21·
          2 days ago

          We’re just talking about the filename, the exact creation time is tracked by the OS. Plus I’d imagine most documents also have a time and date inside. The file name is mostly for sorting and human readability.

          • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
            0·
            19 hours ago

            Oh, it was just filenames, not everything-everywhere?
            Then I guess it’s fine.

            What’s this date btw?
            10/8/10

      • PokerChips@programming.dev
        4·
        2 days ago

        I use to do that but got tired of typing out unnecessary characters and appreciate the shorter character length. I think my folders and files will be long gone by Y2Point1K.

        • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
          0·
          19 hours ago

          hehe yeah

          Your full file extension ends up being: MM.DD-text
          but hopefully noone needs to parse it that way.

          I tend to use YYYY-MM-DD_hh:mm:ss.zzz or YYYY-MM-DD_hh-mm-ss.zzz depending upon the requirement and just recently realised the problem with the . before the zzz.
          Luckily I don’t need to add the zzz quite often.

    • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
      41·
      2 days ago

      I make a point to train people on this at work, and I also make a point to periodically delete all relevant files that are not dated or not dated correctly

      oh no you lost some important files? should’ve followed the standards

      we only have so much space and your 1.2 GB undated file that isn’t even in the folder it should be in is getting deleted

      • LousyCornMuffins@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        one place i was at had ridiculous formatting standards. but like i loved that i could tell everything in a document by reading its title. just, when your pdf scan of your supporting documents for your tax return is 135 pages long, well the title took ten minutes to read

        it was like 2010 tax return supporting documents + w2 - john doe - abc corp + w2 - john doe - def corp + 1099INT - john doe - BankBank +…pdf

        and one of my jobs was to double check that the title accurately represented all 135 documents in that godsforsaken supporting documents scan. That was a rough year.

        Other firm i worked at that year, because i was stupid and moonlit at TWO tax firms one tax season, just called the file SUPPORTING DOCS.pdf . Typed everything in all caps because we thought the IRS was blind. Also allowed us to stream music online and not have to play it on headphones with our doors shut in our offices. They were better.

  • lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org
    91·
    2 days ago

    > says SSD
    > shows a symbol of an HDD

    > MFW most people don’t care because they understand the nuance of communication except for me

  • Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.ch
    301·
    2 days ago

    I’ll say that as much as I love Apple and macOS, Finder has some pretty terrible defaults that make file management pretty difficult for the average user. The default “All Files” view is atrocious.

    • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
      34·
      2 days ago
      1. Not being able to create a file
      2. Folders aren’t by default listed at the top
      3. Spring-loaded folders are hit or miss
      4. No good intuitive way to set defaults for ALL folders at once
      5. No good intuitive way to reset any folder defaults
      6. .DS_Store and ._DS_Store (nuff said)
      • SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        2 days ago

        I HATE that windows will sort folders at the top instead of alphabetically with everything else. I guess it comes from using a Mac for so long.

        I agree about .DS_Store in any mixed os environment though.

          • ScintillatingStruthio@programming.devEnglish
            151·
            2 days ago

            Because if you’re looking for a subfolder you’re not looking for a file, and vice versa? It doesn’t matter much in sparse directories, but it annoys me having to scroll through a ton of files to find the folder I want in directories with both.

            I too like a lot of things about Mac, but finder could be improved, for sure.

            (I have gotten used to a lot of its features and hate Windows’ defaults too, so there’s that. I don’t think an ideal exists, unless it’s in Linux somewhere and I just need to dual boot the desktop and get it over with)

            • Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.ch
              3·
              2 days ago

              On macOS I just type the first few letters of the file/folder and because it’s in alphabetical order, I find it immediately. I don’t want to have to think “oh is this a file or a folder” then scroll around to the appropriate area.

              This reminds me of users who complain about <select> fields on websites: they always want some weird sorting instead of just tabbing into the field and typing a few letters.

              • ScintillatingStruthio@programming.devEnglish
                2·
                2 days ago

                Thar makes sense, although I am generally not trying to use the keyboard at the same time (to be honest I was not aware you could filter a finder view like that, I thought it only ran search and I have never found MacOS’s search to be satisfactory)

                • Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.ch
                  3·
                  2 days ago

                  I grew up on Windows but when I came to macOS I went hard into key commands; the UI is a lot more uniform so using a combination of key commands and Trackpad gestures you can fly through tasks pretty quickly.

              • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                2 days ago

                I haven’t memorized everything, so file folders grouped together is easier.

                Having the option to choose to sort either way would be the best option.

          • dan@upvote.au
            2·
            2 days ago

            This doesn’t sound any easier than using Ctrl+X to cut files and Ctrl+V to paste them wherever you want to?

            • kautau@lemmy.world
              4·
              2 days ago

              Depends on how you use your computer. Plenty of people would tell you that using a GUI file manager and cutting/moving files is inefficient on any platform as opposed to just using a terminal.

              There are times where it’s nice to drag a file or group of files and have Finder show me the content of the destination folder before I decide to drop the files. But sure I could do that with 3 mouse clicks and 4 keyboard taps.

              I think that terminal only or primarily terminal is valuable, a combination of mouse and keyboard with shortcuts is valuable, and also the ability to just use your mouse (especially helpful for accessibility) is also valuable, and they all should be supported.

      • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        24·
        2 days ago

        Folders aren’t by default listed at the top

        This is a aweful windows only thing. Anyone who likes it should be ashamed.

        No good intuitive way to set defaults for ALL folders at once

        This is inexperience with the finder because it’s ridiculously easy to set this.

        • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          2 days ago

          Folders aren’t by default listed at the top

          This is a aweful windows only thing. Anyone who likes it should be ashamed.

          No. You cannot and will not shame me for something that is not shame worthy. Shame on you for trying.

          No good intuitive way to set defaults for ALL folders at once

          This is inexperience with the finder because it’s ridiculously easy to set this.

          Do tell oh wise one. I’ve been using MacOS for over 15 years, and would love to learn the ways of a master such as yourself.

          🙄

          • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            11·
            1 day ago

            No. You cannot and will not shame me for something that is not shame worthy. Shame on you for trying.No good intuitive way to set defaults for ALL folders at once

            You should be extra ashamed for not being ashamed and additionally shamed for taking this so seriously that you feel it necessary to attempt to shame someone who cheekily said you should be ashamed.

            Do tell oh wise one. I’ve been using MacOS for over 15 years, and would love to learn the ways of a master such as yourself

            Let me ChatGPT that for you without giving a shit how this formats, followed by more shame for relaxing your struggle with things because you lack the gumption to figure these things out in your own despite 15 years of use.

            1. Open a Finder Window

            Pick any folder (usually your Home folder is a good starting point).

            ⸻

            1. Set the View You Want • Choose your preferred view style: • Icons: ⌘1 • List: ⌘2 • Columns: ⌘3 • Gallery: ⌘4

            Then adjust things like: • Column widths • Sorting / Arrange by • Sidebar visibility • Preview pane visibility

            ⸻

            1. Apply with “Show View Options”
              1. With the folder open, press ⌘J (or go to View → Show View Options).
              2. At the bottom of the panel, you’ll see: • Use as Defaults (for List, Icon, or Gallery views) • Always open in … view
              3. Click Use as Defaults → this sets your chosen view/layout for all folders of that type.
        • BorgDrone@feddit.nl
          11·
          2 days ago

          You can do all file management operations from the command line. No need to use the Finder.

          • Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.ch
            5·
            2 days ago

            I don’t think the “average user” is going to drop Finder to use the terminal.

            In fact though I’m not an “average user”and use bash, zsh pretty much every day, there are still some things I’d rather do in Finder.

  • Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world
    15·
    2 days ago

    Man, I hate my moms pc folder layout, like why do you have Documents folder inside of documents folder inside of Documents folder? Why do you create excel sheets inside Downloads folder when you didn’t download them???

    • dan@upvote.au
      10·
      2 days ago

      Especially younger people. They’re used to files just… being there on their phone. Photo albums? Nah, just scroll though every photo you’ve ever taken to find the right one.

      That, and having powerful search functionality + tagging has made perfect folder structures less of a requirement. I’ve never had trouble finding documents in paperless-ngx just by searching, for example.

    • Sundray@lemmus.orgEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      What is this “desktop” of which you speak?

      Is that what’s under all these files?

    • unphazed@lemmy.world
      2·
      2 days ago

      My actual desk and office - messy. My desktop - folder, folder, 4 shortcuts. My phone -groups of apps ordered by function - Pebble, Office, Entertainment, etc. My garage - absolute hoarder nightmare from hell cause I just can’t seem to get to it. Why I can be ordered in one area and not in another is beyond me.