• JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee
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    7 days ago

    Maybe a god’s existence is a core belief for some people, but it shouldn’t be. There shouldn’t be anything you believe without a logical reason to.

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      7 days ago

      “Why is there something rather than nothing?” is a valid question - and the idea that something created it isn’t entirely unthinkable. The point is that you can’t prove or disprove it. Not believing in God is just as much a foundational belief as believing in one. Much of what you think is built on these core beliefs - the kind that, if proven wrong, would effectively collapse your entire worldview.

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        What i don’t get here is what the existence of a “creator” would have to do with abortion. Just as an example, what if there is a god. What does that tell us about everyday life, or about abortion?

        It would be very well conceivable to me that there is a god, but they have no opinion about whether we do abortions or not. How are these things connected?

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          In the case of being anti-abortion, we’re talking about people who believe in the biblical God - and they often point to chapters in the Bible to justify their stance. In most cases, it boils down to the belief that life begins at the moment of conception and that all life is sacred. There are also passages in the Bible that speak about God having plans for unborn children.

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          Personally, I consider it synonymous with “creator,” but even if someone believes in a biblical God, that’s beside the point. While the idea of a biblical God is an entirely unconvincing concept to me, I still give it - or something like it - a greater-than-zero chance of actually existing. I can’t prove otherwise.

          Another example of a belief like that would be belief in the physical world around you. You could be dreaming - or in a simulation.

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            So can I clarify that when you’re saying

            Some people take the existence of god as a brute fact

            That you mean

            Some people assume that universe was created by something

            ?

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              Well, that’s not a direct quote from me, but yes - some people assume the universe was created by something. For some, that’s the person running the simulation; for others, it’s the biblical God as described in the Bible, or atleast their interpretation of it.

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                So if I’m understanding you correctly it’s not just that people believe the universe was created by something, but they have a specific idea of what that thing is - eg a conscious, powerful, morally good, knowledgeable being

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                    Ok, now I’ve clarified what beliefs you think some people assume without evidence, I would still say that believing those things isn’t right. You should still have a good reason for believing what you believe, and taking the existence of a conscious creator as given is invalid.