Firefox is some other type of engine that renders pages differently and doesn’t always work the same but brave has Chrome underneath it so it’s the same thing and it’s fine and uses all the same extensions and you like it
promotion, especially as a ‘security focused’ browser with ‘uncommon’ features.
A good chunk of websites are just broken with Firefox and their not even broken in obvious ways. Some times they fail to load, sometimes they render weirdly, sometimes their just unresponsive. I use Firefox as my main browser but I always have something chromium based as my backup for when a website I wanna use just doesn’t work. A lot of the time I don’t even think to use it and assume the site would be broken on chromium as well but nope. Its almost always Firefox:/.
Haven’t had trouble with Firefox for a long time. Sure, I also have chrome sitting somewhere on the hard drive as a backup but didn’t need to use it for months if not years. Started to use Waterfox on one pc and I’m happy with that one too.
Can you give any examples where we can see these differences?
The royal mail tracking website for example brings up an obnoxious full page block on top of the actual content. Only happens on Firefox on android. Chrome worked fine.
Edit: also, just for reference, I’m amazed anyone actually needs examples of this. Its very well known that different browsers have different supported functionalities and unless the webdevs are properly customising styles and scripts for different platforms their gonna deviate. Thusly its not surprising most stuff only works as designed on Chrome since that’s the only Web browser that’s guaranteed to be tested on (it has the lions size of market share, to the point Firefox barely even registers).
Interesting! Thanks for the screenshots. I’m on iOS, so not familiar with Chrome vs FF on mobile.
I was curious for an example because it’s probably been a decade since I’ve had an issue with FF rendering something improperly (or even differently) compared with Chrome. A while back, we did have one internal webpage at work that had a very small difference in FF, but that went away after a few FF updates happened. I was the only one who ever noticed the difference.
Somewhere along the line Brave tricked people into thinking they weren’t owned by a couple of really bigoted dudes.
In fairness Brian Bondy might be a good dude, but Brendan Eich sucks.
Do you have a source that resumes everything bad about Brave in one neat package ? I am tired of searching for sources everywhere and not finding everything I need each time someone ask me about it
Firefox keeps adding stuff I don’t want, Chrome keeps removing stuff I do want.
I wish there was a browser that just does what I want, and lets me turn off the stuff I don’t want.
QuteBrowser. You control it completely. you can add scripts you want, remove stuff you don’t want. I have mine tied in with my bitwarden account so easy password management. I have a script that skips all youtube ads and has never been detected by google because technically I’m “watching the ads” it just immediately skips them. it’s tied in with greasemonkey so it makes adding customs scripts for whatever site I use a breeze. It has vim style navigation so it’s super quick to move around and don’t need to use a mouse.
I love it, I’ll never use a different browser again. Plus the dev for it is really cool and very helpful.
This look to be amazing. I live by a CLI, but most browsers have some keyboard shortcuts at best. This one seems to have the capability to be fully KB using a VIM-like command line, which is awesome.
Thanks for the recommendation!
I use FOSS browser on frim f-droid. Federated SearxNG engine.
I like to use Firefox until a web page doesn’t fucking work and then I switch to Chrome and then go take a shit and come back and then use Firefox again
Hmm, I thought I’d find Waterfox mentioned but I didn’t. That one gets my recommendation.
No idea it’s been plain to me is Brave is kind of dodgy to the point I’ve never even tried it.
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Ive browser hopped a bit, Im currently on brave because it has a good vertical tabs integration and works decently well. Having to use another browser because a page won’t load correctly is infuriating to me. After reading the comments here, I’d like to switch. I’m guessing Firefox is my best option huh?
Vivaldi is nice. Created by the Opera creators. Cookie removal, antitracking, etc out of the box.
I was browser hopping a bunch lately. Stayed on Zen for a while but setting it up for multiple devices was a pain and there was always a new update that broke a mod, so I kept looking. Somehow I landed on edge, mostly due to how it did vertical tabs. But then I recently found out that standard Firefox pretty much does them just like that now, so I’m on that now.
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I was also on edge for a while exclusively for the vertical tabs, initially it was actually a decent experience if you stripped out bing. Now I’m on brave because it’s fine and it has good compatibility.
cause most people just google a chrome alternative. they dont do research. brave gives them a surafce level adblocking, and they feel fine with it.
Doesn’t Firefox still have brand recognition though? I’d have thought even people who answer “google” to “what browser do you use” would have heard of firefox, and therefore looked it up rather than using the neurons to ask, “what alternative browsers are there?”
You’re assuming people know things about the tech field. Very few do. I mean, those of us that do recognize the name Firefox. But someone who heard from a friend that Google went on trial for bad monopoly practices and wants to deGooglefy has no idea what’s available or what any of it means.
I have Firefox but gave Brave a shot too. Works fine for me. I’ll use anything that gets around YouTube ads.
Try vivaldi. Much less fuckery than Brave
I got my dad to try Firefox and he said it drained his phone battery like no tomorrow, so now he uses brave because it doesn’t
I’ve been using Firefox for years on my phone with no such problems, so I can’t exactly verify what he’s saying
It’s possible dad was lying.
Firefox was borked on my machine when I started using Brave. Still using it on other machines though
I can’t answer that question but I’ve always wondered why anyone switches to Brave. I installed it a few years ago because I heard it was privacy focused and it immediately hit me with a bunch of shit about crypto and rewards or something. I uninstalled it immediately.
Because it is still Chromium based and it means it is fast on Android, plus it comes packed with an adblocker by default which works wonders in closed out systems like iOS, also as many browsers (not all of them) it supports account syncing which it is always a nice plus (I can use a good working version of Brave in all the systems and keep a good flow for example).
I main Firefox in pretty much all the systems, but the Android app is missing a lot of features like tab management, and the iOS client just sucks (Brave works better there despite being Safari based too).
It does respect your privacy but it comes with bloatware. You can actually remove them pretty easily
“Respect” for you as the user means you shouldn’t have to do stuff like that in the first place.
Eh, gotta make money somehow. I prefer this over selling out to google
it only makes money until people don’t actually remove the bloatware. so if it does make money, that’s telling something
I installed it. Crypto stuff is off by default. Ad blocking built in. Multiple 3rd party testing shows it blocks virtually all tracking/fingerprinting.
Firefox/Chrome - you need all kinds of addons and pihole type setups to do the same thing. God forbid you want to use it off your own network, you need additional tools. All these tools break with updates, whether they are the browsers or addons/tools themselves. Brave has never once broken its adblock/privacy settings in the years I’ve used it.
Most of us on here are privacy focused, and want the average user to be that way too. Brave is a one click setup, nothing else needed solution. Is it perfect? Hell no. Is the owner a piece of shit? Hell yes. Does it allow the average user to take ownership of their privacy in an easy and non-technical way? Yes. Perfect is the enemy of good. I will gladly jump ship once another turnkey solution comes along that is as easy and privacy centric that Brave is.
Firefox/Chrome - you need all kinds of addons and pihole type setups to do the same thing.
bullshit
you need a single addon, ublock origin. enable additional builtin blocklists according to taste.
you can have additional addons for additional functionality. does brave have libredirect built in? does it block and redirect google AMP sites by default? does it have a feature to only delete cookies regularly for specific sites?and let’s not forget the elephant in the room: ublock is not working anymore in chrome! google made it so that you can only use the inferior lite version, that can only load much much fewer filtering rules into the browser.
I don’t know if brave kept supporting mv2 extensions, but if they do, I guarantee to you that it won’t be that way for long. it has been relatively easy sailing so far because google did not actually remove support, but it will be lots of work when finally google does remove it, and they’ll be needing to patch it in for every new versionpihole is not used for firefox, and that’s never been its use case. It’s for everything else that uses the internet, but cannot have something like ublock origin: various software, windows itself, android and apps there, smart home and iot garbage.
Honestly this statement of yours proves to me that you don’t know what you’re talking about.All these tools break with updates, whether they are the browsers or addons/tools themselves.
I have no idea what you are talking about. anyone else?
About the addons and stuff breaking, I constantly see posts about this adblock isn’t working because Chrome broke something, this addon is no longer updated, google broke this so that addon doesn’t work. That’s the issue with using 3rd party tools, you have to rely on the tool AND browser to work together, and not break with updates or changes. You also have to trust both the browser AND the tool to keep your info safe and private.
Brave hasn’t had even a hiccup in it’s adblocking/privacy features with all the changes Chrome is implementing, due to how Brave is built. I just want a browser with strong, baked in privacy and adblocking that works out of the box. Brave is that solution at this time.
By the way, you seem focused on Firefox, I’m not attacking Firefox, I’m calling out every browser that needs addons to create a more secure and private browsing experience.
About the addons and stuff breaking, I constantly see posts about this adblock isn’t working because Chrome broke something, this addon is no longer updated, google broke this so that addon doesn’t work.
well yeah, google has intentionally broken all effective content blockers. that’s the fault of chrome. firefox is fine.
firefox will never be able to add built in support for adblocking. reasons include that websites would not just happily drop support for firefox, but some would even put in work to block it entirely! a 3rd party fork can do that, but the main thing can’t because of what will follow.
By the way, you seem focused on Firefox, I’m not attacking Firefox,
I’m not focused on firefox, I’m against anything chrome. firefox is not good, its the least bad, but in my eyes there’s a large difference between it and chromium. we need more engines.
I’m calling out every browser that needs addons to create a more secure and private browsing experience.
I think having this built in is a very dangerous move for a browser that wants to become popular, and does not want to be blocked by sites.
if all you want is to not need to install anything manually, librewolf has ublock preinstalled.
but I’m not confident about the content blocking abilities of brave. I get that it hides ads, but is that’s all it does, or does it also block the resources from loading, tracking scripts from operating? because ublock origin is very effective with that, with its large toolset, if the blocklists utilize them
Like I stated earlier, 3rd party testing places Brave at the top of almost any fingerprinting/ad blocking/tracking/privacy metrics tested. It might not be the product you like, that’s fine, but you can’t deny the testing that proves it works.
I don’t hate on Firefox, far from it. I think it’s great for those who don’t mind extra layers of tinkering/having control on how the browser uses it’s privacy functions. Firefox, unfortunately, isn’t 100% web compatible, and almost every fox user has some form of Chromium as a backup. The discussion about web standards ignoring Chromiuim alternatives are valid, but I feel that’s an entirely different discussion.
I think it’s great for those who don’t mind extra layers of tinkering/having control on how the browser uses it’s privacy functions.
except that you don’t need to tinker. firefox is simply just not doing anything risky, anything that could easily break websites.
you want ublock? install that 1 addon. that’s not any more tinkering than setting a dark theme, or the language.Firefox, unfortunately, isn’t 100% web compatible,
that’s funny because that’s not how I know. as I know, firefox is more up to spec than chrome, but chrome often has its odd nonstandard behaviours which web devs take as standards simply because that’s the most popular browser, and developing for its quirks is easier than developing for standards and also supporting its quirk at the same time
Tinkering - I remember when the ad blocking addons stopped working due to a Google change. Everyone hopped on the webs to see what to do next. Edits and tricks to make Firefox look like Google to the web page, which was needed to make it work again. I was just over here with Brave carrying on like nothing happened.
Firefox compatibility- Even users in this post say they have a backup browser when Firefox doesn’t work.
Look, I’m not here evangelizing an imperfect browser. I’m also not sitting here arguing anyone’s choice in browsers. I use what works for me. I just wanted to clarify some statements made that weren’t correct. The Firefox vs anything else debate is as loaded as Linux vs anything else. Everyone argues and claims their software package is the end all be all when it just doesn’t fit 100% of use cases. I use what works for me. When a better alternative comes along, I will gladly look at it.
I tried to install Brave and it almost nuked my PC. Completely jammed up. I uninstalled it immediately.
Yeah so true!! I installed it, and it launched an attack to overheat and destroy my CPU. Thankfully I reacted quick enough, and unplugged my computer quickly. However when I turned it back on, all my files were gone. It was cryptomining without my consent. Absolutely crazy!
/s?
Lol yes
