Do people in France have flags on their cars? Do they sell clothing with the flag for Zimbabwe everywhere? Do people dress as their country’s mascot for every day events?
France is particularly patriotic out of Western countries I’ve visited. Not an expert but it’s a bit of a hangover from the French revolution, they have a strong focus on integration and preserving their shared culture.
There’s a big difference between nationalism and patriotism though both can be displayed in similar manner. For example if you take a look at small european countries like the baltic states they are very patriotic and have flags on their cars etc. but they are not nationalistic at all.
So I think it’s unfair to equate them in this context even if reviewing vanity like flags and mascots.
In my experience living in a couple of countries in Europe, generally the bigger the country the more the nationalism (though Germany is maybe exceptional on this) - small countries have very little tendency for people and business to display the flag and have flag-themed products and objects whilst larger countries have more of that.
That said, the far-right everywhere are flag-shaggers and during periods with large international sports events (for example, the World Cup) many normal people will display a national flag, though even then it’s more so I large countries than small ones plus in some countries other flags are used (for example, in Britain they use the flags of the nations rather than the UK flag and in The Netherlands they use the “Oranje” flag rather than the Dutch flag).
I think the only country in Europe with nationalism close to America is the UK and I don’t believe it’s anywhere the same level (for example, they have nothing like the Pledge Of Alliegance).
Here in the Netherlands it’s definitely not as crazy as in the US. People will fly the flag on national celebration days or on remembrance day. And during international soccer tournaments the country will turn orange. But the only flags I see on cars are upside-down ones from angry farmers protesting against environmental regulations and from nutjobs who still think that COVID vaccines contain microchips.
People do tend to fly provincial flags and municipality flags sometimes tho. Especially in the best province, Fryslân (I’m not biased at all).
None of the Western ones. Probably not Zimbabwe either, although I could be wrong about that. Africans are usually aware of how much development is ahead of them.
China is a lot like America in other ways, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they do that stuff, and North Korea is obviously rabidly nationalistic in it’s own way.
Canadian flags in unnecessary places are becoming more common, but that’s basically us aping you, because we get all your media and define our whole identity as a contrast to America.
I’m seeing more and more black Canada flag stickers and personally equate them to punisher stickers
I just wish people would stop acting like Tim’s is patriotic
Also, why does nobody here know that their mindless nationalism is weird? I’ve seen military guys stop traffic to stop their cars in the middle of the road and stand with their hand over their heart towards the nearest flag when they play the trumpets at the end of the work day. ( on a military base) But seriously, why would you stop rush hour traffic to virtue signal your worship of an inanimate object. Those people should not be allowed to use firearms. There is seriously something wrong with that. My coworkers did the same thing, but not while they were driving. It’s beyond bizarre.
You’re supposed to stop your car for colors. You don’t necessarily need to get out, but hence the rush to get there and inside before colors.
Yea, and gladiators were “supposed to” die for the glory of Rome. When are people going to get past pomp and circumstance? It’s fucking pathetic.
No.
I live in Denmark but used to live in the US. I see a LOT of the Danish flag around (Dannebrog 🇩🇰) but it’s a lot less nationalistic. The level of “I love my country” is a bit weird but it’s the “it’s the best country and all others suck and wish they were us” that’s incomprehensible.
I think David Cross said something like this:
If you’re in Europe and someone tells you how your country sucks and isn’t free, you know they’re American
Do you remember the time Marco Rubio repeated the same thing twice during a presidential debate ? His speech included calling the US “the greatest nation in the history of the world” but no one minded that.
In most countries you would be ridiculed for saying something like that, but from what I understand Americans are taught that their country is the best in basically everything and they are very lucky to be born there because every other place is worse off.
The brainwashing is strong, yes.
Only when there are modern overpaid gladiators from different countries try to kick a plastic ball into the oponents net.
A.k.a. “Football World cup” and “Football Europa cup”.
OK, also when there are olympics.
And there are those eternal yesterdays that again would like to fly a red flag, with a white dot and a black swastica… those are still a growing minority. Lets hope ot stays that way.
Is Eurovision super patriotic? Never watched it but I get the impression
The most “I love my country” thing i have seen was someone dying their hair to represent the country flag
I have seen more people in my country wear the USA flag than my countries flag
Do people in France have flags on their cars
Waving a french flag under almost any circumstance would be regarded a very weird
In Spain yes. We call them “patriotas de la pulserita” because they always have wristbands with the spanish flag.
We don’t have flags on poles, put people put the spanish flags on the balconies.
US has alot of propaganda through various means, but its greatest affect is on conservatives, they are much easier to convince. copaganda, military propaganda, performative politics for the military.
No.
Americans don’t realise how strange this hyperpatriotism is.
From the outside, “pledging allegiance to the flag” is cult behaviour; it’s seen as brainwashing.
I visited LA last year and you almost cannot exist in any space anywhere in the city without having at least one american flag visible. Often there are dozens of flags visible from any given sightline. This is not usual. Most countries will fly a flag over important buildings, or maybe in any given city there will be a few national flags in key locations. If the city has a good flag design, maybe the city flag is displayed frequently, such as in Amsterdam.
But outside America, people don’t have this need to express how much they love their country. In America it looks like a competition as to who can adore their country the most. That’s really not healthy citizenship as imo it discourages criticism.
Canadians responded to the American presidential threat by throwing flags up everywhere and let me tell you, that shit does not sit right with me.
I prefer to support my country in a less colonial way, personally.
So I just took a small sample (outside of major business districts) with Google maps street view dropping random pins in L.A. and searching for American flags. 0/3.
Same with Paris. 0/3.
I guess I got lucky? People can do their own samples and will likely see the inverse of my results.
Yeah, the pledge of allegiance is kinda stupid and has been cut from most schools at the start of the day. (That is likely regional though.) It’s still kinda weird that sports events still leverage national anthems too.
Many people here see hyperpatriotism as kinda weird and is more closely associated with (the bad kind) of nationalism.
To answer all questions like this, it depends on where you go. Some places are worse than others. Culturally important cities tend to be much more 'murica than others.
Now do the same with Barcelona, just tried it and got at least one Catalonia flag, as I was sure I would since there are lots of people with flags in their balconies here. Although I don’t think people are the “bad” kind of nationalist here, it’s more of an independence feeling.
My sample was not random because I went to populated areas where people/tourists are likely to go. I wasn’t saying it’s literally true that you cannot go anywhere without flags. But it was striking to both me and the person I was there with the sheer number of flags that seemed to be everywhere. We joked that there must be an unspoken rule that a business without a flag would be snubbed and seen as as an enemy of the state.
I’m sure random google maps locations don’t necessarily have flags, but if you visit you can’t deny the overwhelming prevalence of them in e.g. malls/high streets/the beach/in restaurants/etc.
Are you talking about Louisiana or Los Angeles? Both have beaches and malls… I could see there being a lot flags in Louisiana, Los Angeles not so much, unless it’s Memorial Day or 4th of July.
As someone in Louisiana, I can attest to this.
Also, the struggle of having to decipher if someone is talking about “L.A.” or “LA”.
No, we have broken off the Soviet union.
No, I was from Soviet Union
I think I misphrased my comment I meant to say that we are no longer in a dictatorship, so we do not have such propaganda
