I guess my question is who gave the Americans the right? I say this as an American. But would not the world be a better place if we just minded our own business and quit nation building and stoking non existant fires?

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    I’m German and went to the US for a year as a high school student.

    My US history teacher literally told us that the US is the world police. Because of that I believe that many Americans think that way.

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    Because authoritarians convinced the American people that military interventions prevent terrorist attacks to distract them from the reality which is that terrorist attacks are caused by American interventions.

    It’s only possible to convince Americans of that because they are shockingly ignorant of history and they believe whatever the warmongers tell them.

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    Kinda how they were “last man standing” in WW2. Everybody else got severely fucked and they won them over by with the Marshall aid program which got us to a bi-polar world with NATO in which the US was the hegemony.

    After the fall of the Soviet Union and before the rise of China there was only one superpower that could act as such militarily and then US continued their power trip.

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    No one, powerful countries just assume that they are needed everywhere in the world so they start acting like narcissistic bitch like US.

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    Nobody gave ‘murica any right, they just imposed themselves. The simple answer is imperialism. USA was always a power and money hungry bitch and has been putting nations, populations and markets under their boots (not always thru military force) for profit since the late 1800s. Yes, they’ve been an evil empire for that long. Latin America as a whole has suffered many hells so uncle sam could keep commodities’ prices super low.

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      I think you’re setting the timeline about a century and a half too late. The people that would become the first US citizens were genociding the Native Americans as early as 1750

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    Pretty much when the US was the only super power to survive WWII unscathed.

    Also, having developed atomic hellfire, and the will to use it (twice), kinda makes you the big kid on the playground.

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    Because people in power only want one thing - more power. They only fear one thing - loosing power.

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    After world war two, Europe was busy putting itself back together. It left an opening that the US stepped into. And who wouldn’t like to be the big dog in the yard.

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      Pretty much this. Up to that point, it was Britain and a few other European nations that were doing all the management* in various places in the world. After WWII, they realised: “You know what, we’re tired and worn out and everyone wants us out anyway. We’re going low energy to rebuild at home. Someone else can step in if they want.”

      * a.k.a. “Colonialism”. Management is an odd choice of synonym I grant you, but once you’ve got a colony, it’s in your interests to run things in good order. Until the locals rightfully kick you out, that is.

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        After WWII, they realised: “You know what, we’re tired and worn out and everyone wants us out anyway

        This is a very naive understanding of the history of decolonisation. Decolonisation wasn’t a western initiative, it was done because the colonies were literally rebelling against their European oppressors, great part of that through Soviet funding and arming.

        Someone else can step in if they want.

        …unless they oppose western control of the region like Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro or Mosaddeq.

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          This is also an oversimplification.

          Colonies were always rebelling. The main issue that led to decolonisation was that there was no longer the resources required to maintain these big empires.

          Coal was more expensive, troops were more expensive, everything now cost too much to maintain.

          It’s the end phase of every empire.

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      They (the USA) got to be the big dog, protecting us in europe, and we let them the hard & soft power. Everyone was happy (in the US and Europe) until americans started to believe their own hype that thay are in fact better than other people, and thus the breakup began.

      It’s not over just yet with the usa supremacy but trump fucked things up so bad that IMO ten years from now the world will be a different place.

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        protecting us in europe

        Protecting Europe from what exactly? What military threat did the US fight against in Europe? There hasn’t been an attack to western Europe since WW2 until the US bombing of Yugoslavia.

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          You can’t be this dense right?

          Against the URSS 🙄

          Edit: BTW URSS = USSR = CCCP before any homeschooled troll tries to be smart.

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                What on Earth are you talking about? My country, Spain, only received weapons and military aid against fascism from the USSR years before WW2 started, during the Spanish civil war. The Soviet Union was the most antifascist state in Europe, and I wish my country would have been next to the Soviets so that we wouldn’t have endured almost 40 years of fascist regime.

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                  Sure, just forget about Lithuania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Estonia, and so on and on and on.

                  The soviet union teamed up with the nazis and started the second world war, check out the molotov ribentrop act.

                  Also: why chose between two bad things, Franco and the USSR when you can aim for the free world? Are you unhappy i the EU?

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                The USSR that saved Eastern Europe from the almost complete genocide of Slav “untermenschen” according to Nazi genocidal plans such as Generalplan Ost, at the tremendous cost of 27 million deaths of Soviet citizens in the brave struggle against Nazis.

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                  And it did so by means of rape and genocide. Our Soviet aligned government took 2 years to get rid of an epidemic of syphilis after they were through.

                  It was just another conquering imperialistic power

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    Anybody who thinks about that question enough always realizes they don’t want that kind of power and control. Sometimes people think about it partly, get excited by the promises of power, but only misrepresented by their own misunderstandings, and mistakenly think they do.

    Nobody actually does, just not everybody realizes it fully.

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    The citizens, in general, don’t. We want to do the same thing every other country’s people want - live our lives and hopefully give our kids a good or better one.

    I have no fucking clue what the government is doing to make these decisions.

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      The last time Finland invaded a nation, they did it together with the Nazis. I don’t think you want Finland to rule the world.

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        It was either surrender to Soviet Union (legendary dicks) or ally with Nazis (had no reason to stay and conquer us). We picked the lesser evil.

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            If the lesser evil would’ve been Soviet Union, we would’ve been a) communists and b) not independent anymore.

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              You famously lost the war, and you’re still an independent nation. Finland obtained independence in 1917 because of the communists, namely the Bolshevik constitution, allowing for the first time in human history the right of self-determination and secession. If it hadn’t been for the communist you’d be a province of Russia.

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                a large part of finland is a province of russia. Karelia belongs the the finns.

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                  Have you asked Karelians what they think of that? Or are you arguing purely from nationalist beliefs?

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        Okay but in a hypothetical scenario where Finland ruled the world (as it exists today), I highly, highly doubt they would be siding with fascists. I don’t see your point. Thanks for leading me to some Wikipedia articles to read though.

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          Finland currently doesn’t recognise Palestine as a country, they’re currently, as it exists today, siding with the genocidal maniacs in the Israeli government.

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              I mean, yeah, sure. But if perfection is two steps to the left and you refuse…why?

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            That is unfortunate. However, I don’t see why you’re so insistent. You appear to be taking my original comment more seriously than I did. Sorry I didn’t do research on Finland’s position on Palestine or of their involvement in World War II. It was not relevant at the time. I just happen to appreciate Finnish art and culture.

            Edit: Sadly, my country doesn’t recognize Palestine either. There isn’t a whole hell of a lot anyone here (excluding our corrupt leaders obviously) can do about it.

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    There are privileges to being an empire and the capitalists in the US continue to use that empire to get access to those privileges. Favorable trade, commercial, and financing terms are a big one.

    Also the US war industry pushes the country to intervene. You can see how there are interventionist and isolationist movements in the US fighting right now over how much the US gets directly involved in Iran-Israel.

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    After WW2 the US became addicted to being the world police and many other countries were happy to have the US cover the cost of their defense or income from hosting US bases. Selling arms is also big business and the DOD justifies it by saying that it keeps personnel and manufacturing lines for weapons running.

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    The USA was securing international trade lines. After WW2, they started doing it to counter communism and build friendships. (Cannot attack your trading partners.)

    This was not entirely popular with Americans, see “Team America: World Police”.

    Another country or coalition could step up. Just build a navy that rivals the USA one to secure shipping lanes.