Decentralization is obviously the big thing about the Fediverse but is it TOO decentralized to gain traction?
There is no reason why they have to be fully separate domains in the same branch. You can set up a system of fully independent moderation and extreme levels of customization while having them all on one site with a front page that allows everyone to see whats popular.
A front page wouldn’t prevent individual subgroups from requiring approval to join, it wouldn’t prevent subgroups from banning those it doesn’t want. It doesn’t prevent users from blocking subgroups that it doesn’t want to see on the front page.
What would be most useful is that now someone could create an account on the Reddit, Twitter, Facebook(?) alternatives and give them access to every community, and then allow each community to set its own rules, and customize its own to be unique while having a unified product to “sell” and get people to move.
Hot take? Blue Sky should be worked with to join the Fediverse as the twitter alternative and Mastodon should work to be the Facebook alternative
TLDR: One front page and general site for Lemmy, Mastodon…and to sign up and see whats popular and then have fully independent subgroups.
As much as I love the fediverse, its control structures can’t scale. If it ever became truly popular, bad actors would overwhelm it almost immediately.
You know what’s exactly as decentralized as fediverse? Email. Do you know anyone who doesn’t use email?
Email is a utility 💀 not a social platform
Remember when we had mailing lists that basically acted like forums and group chats with your various friend groups that consisted of these long email chains?
I, and a lot of other fedizens, don’t want the type of people who use BlueSky and Facebook in my ActivityPub fediverse.
Fedi is cool because it’s small, weird, and highly enriched with people I’m actually interested in communicating with. I don’t need or want the pool to be diluted with an ocean of piss.
Gateways that ease the pain of entrance to the fediverse are a good thing. A single, centralised gateway that defacto controls all access to the fediverse is exactly what I’m trying to get away from
Just to be clear each site, Lemmy, Mastodon… Would have it’s own front page under this idea.
Most platforms have their “join lemmy” or “join Mastodon” equivalents already
I know but having a reddit style front page or trending like Twitter would look more engagefull.
Peertube and pixelfed have that built in to the individual instances. It is something I’d like to see more widespread
Unless peertube has a way to properly monetize and at a much higher rate it’s not beating YouTube which in conjunction will sponsors and patreon is doing great for creators. pixelfed has potential
Unless you want to talk about transphobia, racism, LGBTQ rights etc, etc, in which case, you live on the edge constantly wondering when YT is going to demonetize you
Why on Earth would you want it to take over the social media space? Have you not seen what those places are like?
Why in Earth would you want it to take over the social media space?
So that the rest can be free with us.
But I don’t like them and don’t want them in my feed.
Mass-market slop troughs exist for a reason.
Because social media is controlled by big corporations and thats why they are such shit. Once Reddit, Twitter and Facebook falls and if it falls to the fediverse it will be controlled by the average joe not political money motivated operatives
Ah yes. The ‘average joe’. :|
IMO, it isn’t decentralized enough. The federated model is better than centralized corporate services, of course, but it still suffers many of the same pitfalls in microcosm. We need private, encrypted friend-to-friend connections that enable friend-of-a-friend onion routing to those outside one’s personal social circle to effectively mimic how real human social networks actually work. The only middlemen we need are the friends we made along the way.
From my perspective, that’s not something I’d use, or at least, it wouldn’t have been much use to me when I was a young closeted queer person in small town Australia. It wouln’t have been much help finding my peers
It would give an enormous power to who controls this “front page”. This page could restrict any user arbitrarily, lock them out, spy on them, etc. And because this page would be unique, they would have no alternative. This is exactly why federation is a key to freedom.
Hot take? Blue Sky should be worked with to join the Fediverse as the twitter alternative and Mastodon should work to be the Facebook alternative
??? Why should Mastodon become an entirely different kind of site when there’s already Facebook alternatives for the fediverse?
I kinda like the fediverse as is. We keep slowly growing our services. We don’t need to be social media.
We can be social sure but without the need to be ever growing. I would rather us concentrate on the people and giving us power rather than huge orgs that are going to do huge org things.
I just like that it’s smaller. Like, you can actually have conversations (or slapfights :sigh:) and can actually recognize people. Kind of like something bigger than a small town but smaller than a huge city.
I’m not opposed to growth, and it would definitely be a good thing in the long run, but I like that it’s not just shouting into the void here.
But who would control this front page?
A group of people who would all need to agree before action, a mini government of sorts, maybe elected idk but its the only way to gain a real foothold. The people running it are only supposed to act if illegal activity is going on and they are contacted by authorities in the appropriate jurisdiction.
The people running it are only supposed to act if illegal activity is going on and they are contacted by authorities in the appropriate jurisdiction.
which is the “appropriate” jurisdiction?
what if it’s legal in my country, but it is illegal in the country where the server is? I have no other choice of server, you’re taking away our ability to join servers in our own countries
Ideally it would be hosted in the EU and thus only things illegal there would be enforced.
Which EU country? Who’s to say that’s the ideal? That sounds biased. Also the “ideal” (if there is such a thing) could change over time with global politics.
any country in the EU
Including Germany, which has draconian laws against criticizing Israel’s genocidal actions and fascist regime, as demonstrated by the recent drama over feddit.org?
Laws aren’t identical across the EU. If you are aggregating content from a bunch of instances, there will be content aggregated that’s illegal in one place and not another.
