i have encountered some polish teens who want to learn about the language, culture, and don’t have any problem with the people, but i have known that some polish adults HATE russia due to all the wars and how in russia, polish had to learn russian.
No, there are problems in Poland in relation to Russia, older people are happy to speak Russian (and they will tell you the way… They will help with something else, no problem). And this hysteria of yours (as someone said here - they lived under the boot) is truly propaganda of the West. Where did you get it from? In general, the Russians and Poles are Slavic brothers, here they (we) are historically closer than the Germans, the Dutch or the same French (well, you can expect meanness from them to pour enmity). My daughter studied at the Polish Academy (being Russian and Ок). I live 15 km from Poland.
Russians and Poles are Slavic brothers, here they (we) are historically closer than the Germans,
Brothers… Which russia invaded several times and also partioned Poland with Austria and Prussia. After all with Germany and French, Poland has good relations now, and they don’t say or threaten them with another invasion like russia.
Now, yes, because of politics, there are problems of entry/exit to Poland and, in turn, the disruption of economic relations. Millions of residents of these countries suffer because of Western politicians.
Polish adults hate Russia because russophobia (and anticommunism, usually inertwined) is absolute core and staple of official ideology of current Polish state and they live in uniform information bubble for 36 years by now. Young ones had only like a dozen years of consuming “Russia bad” coming from all directions so combined with usual for a teenegers curosity and tendency to question authorities they tend to be more open minded before getting their brains formatted to western boot shape.
Because of propaganda. There is a lot of missinformations. Even people in their late twenty’s or before 30, often they compare EU to USSR, they are to young to remember USSR from their own lives and they believes in propaganda about it.
This is evident even from the results of the presidential elections where at least two candidates were openly pro-Russian. But it didn’t matter, because in discussions among ordinary people the main criteria for the election were fear of gays, EU immigrants and immigrants from Ukraine. Folks want easy explanations of difficult problems so there is a group of people which gives them that. It’s easy to blame everything on gays, the evil and leftist European Union, immigrants from Ukraine for driving expensive cars or “living off social benefits” and then show up in Russia and say “look what a nice conservative country, there are no such problems here.” Of course, I’m generalizing a bit, but this is more or less the reasoning of many people, including young people, who take their message from conspiracy theories on tiktok and YouTube. This is a really serious problem in Poland.
Psychological manipulation 101
Uh, most obvious likely cause to me is that Polish adults grew up under Soviet rule while Polish teens didn’t.
Poland was never part of the Soviet Union. Unless they lived in the USSR and later moved to Poland, they did not “grow up under Soviet rule”.
fair
Funny how, growing up without a boot on your throats changes your opinion.
Can you back this up with anything but personal observation? There is nary a country in Europe that is under threat of a Russian invasion as much as Poland, now that they’re already in Ukraine. Right wingers all over Europe are very pro-Russian - except in Poland. History looms large in a country whose neighbors split it 3 times. It’s obviously possible that Polish younglings, unburdened with things like history, like the culture. You are well within you rights to separate the culture from its people’s history or what the current government is like. But I have a hard time imagining this as more as a passing fluke at best, or propaganda at worst.
nah, it’s just what i’ve heard from a few polish people. i’m not saying all polish like russia
Internet propaganda is a helluva drug and young people are extremely vulnerable to it
Good thing you’re immune
For real!? Remember: youth is not an excuse.
I get that. It’s just the constellation of stuff here. Polish youths in considerate numbers falling in love with Russian culture is a bit like saying 9/11 firefighters are turning to Islam for guidance. Not that both scenarios would be inherently bad, they’re just not very likely. That’s why I asked for more than hearsay.
Yeah it’s called online propaganda. Russia is known for spreading propaganda via social media. The same thing is happening in the US, and probably across the “West”. Russia is using propaganda to convince young people that the West/US are bad, and dammit, it’s working wonders. Young people are gobbling it up in droves.
All effective propaganda is based on truth.
Would you make this same argument for pro-western propaganda?
Sure, propaganda works as long as it has some material basis behind it. Whose propaganda it is has no impact on that.
Lol, the US is bad. So are many other western countries. That doesn’t make Russia good, or even less bad.
Ok not bringing the US into it Al all, Western Europe is also considered “the west” and yes Putin is absolutely both undermining the west and promoting Russia via internet propaganda and it is extremely effective on young people especially, some western countries being bad in your opinion doesn’t make what was said untrue
BlueAnonsense.
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- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
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- Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
Good thing the West world never use internet propaganda.