Why can’t any government in the world aim to tax ultra rich more whilst making easier for small to medium large businesses to thrive. And policies on property supply rather than property buyers like all sorts of first time buyers programs.
Why are only same old policies keep being peddled when the world is still going to shit?
That doesn’t involve reducing the government size and budget entirely or subscribing to any extreme left or right?
huh?
90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes
Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j
People in China enjoy high levels of social mobility https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-social-mobility.html
The typical Chinese adult is now richer than the typical European adult https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9
Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw8SvK0E5dI
The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf
From 1978 to 2000, the number of people in China living on under $1/day fell by 300 million, reversing a global trend of rising poverty that had lasted half a century (i.e. if China were excluded, the world’s total poverty population would have risen) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/China’s-Economic-Growth-and-Poverty-Reduction-Angang-Linlin/c883fc7496aa1b920b05dc2546b880f54b9c77a4
From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019&%3Blocations=CN&%3Bstart=2008
By the end of 2020, extreme poverty, defined as living on under a threshold of around $2 per day, had been eliminated in China. According to the World Bank, the Chinese government had spent $700 billion on poverty alleviation since 2014. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/world/asia/china-poverty-xi-jinping.html
Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience
None of these things happen in capitalist states, and we can make a direct comparison with India which follows capitalist path of development. In fact, without China there practically would be no poverty reduction happening in the world.
If we take just one country, China, out of the global poverty equation, then even under the $1.90 poverty standard we find that the extreme poverty headcount is the exact same as it was in 1981.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/07/5-myths-about-global-poverty
The $1.90/day (2011 PPP) line is not an adequate or in any way satisfactory level of consumption; it is explicitly an extreme measure. Some analysts suggest that around $7.40/day is the minimum necessary to achieve good nutrition and normal life expectancy, while others propose we use the US poverty line, which is $15.
https://www.cgdev.org/blog/12-things-we-can-agree-about-global-poverty
Yet, they lack the simple freedom to acknowledge the existence of a certain date in their country’s history. The recognition of which, will result in their arrest and potential disappearance. Freedom is not free if your acknowledgement of the truth is considered “wrong think.”
∞🏳️⚧️Edie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, null/void, des/pair, none/use name]@lemmy.ml1·5 months agoYour joke wasn’t funny.
Every single Chinese person ive ever met (i’ve lived in Shenzen and I know a few in the UK) has been open to discussing what happened there what are you on about lmao
And why should I believe anything you say? I mean, if I’m correct and the internet is a giant skinner box used to condition us. Wouldn’t that be what you’d argue anyway?
And why should I believe anything you say?
Is it that inconceivable someone onlines been to HK or Shenzhen to you lmao, they are both cities of several million people and HK being a colony of the UK has free travel between UK>HK.
I met someone in the UK who was HK-British, her parents where a split of HK/Mainlander, allowed me to travel between the two and I had employment for about 6 months in HK as a chef; during that time I was able to speak to a lot of people.
You could just like, fucking talk to someone from Shenzhen man, no ones stopping you.
You can talk about June 4th, 1989 in China. Chinese usually call it the “June 4th incident,” which is what the government uses when referencing it in official statements on the subject.
And they can talk about it on its own terms (that is, more truthfully) because they don’t have the obligatory ritual of painting the entire picture the CIA gave foreign media before they can talk about the actual facts.
Think you mean can talk, not can’t, correct? In which case, I agree.
Yes, sorry. I phrased it differently on the first write and forgot to cancel the negative before posting, thanks for pointing it out.
No worries!
Libs refuse to read anything that isn’t young adult fiction and thus are confined to pretending the real world is literally 1984 or literally Voldemort or literally the Hunger Games.
Shit, the brainrot is so advanced we’re getting “literally like that marvel movie” more often than not nowadays bc y’all can’t even read kid books more.
That is bullshit. If you are refering to Tiananmen Square, then I highly recommend you watch the channel Felipe Durante on YouTube. He’s a Brazilian living in China and he have talked about it several times, and even talks about how his colleagues talk about it.
This idea that China is some sort of dystopian hell where you cannot talk about this stuff is just a western lie.
Yo, so I would like to first point out. I am not at all talking down to you, or denigrating your lived experience. I am just pointing stuff out and I do not mean any offense and I mean all of this. First, this is taken from the Wikipedia page regarding The Tiananmen Square Protests and Massacre:
**The Chinese government continues to forbid discussions about the Tiananmen Square protests[315][316] and has taken measures to block or censor related information, in an attempt to suppress the public’s memory of the Tiananmen Square protests.[2] Textbooks contain little, if any, information about the protests.[317] After the protests, officials banned controversial films and books and shut down many newspapers. Within a year, 12% of all newspapers, 8% of all publishing companies, 13% of all social science periodicals, and more than 150 films were either banned or shut down. The government also announced that it had seized 32 million contraband books and 2.4 million video and audio cassettes.[318] Access to media and Internet resources about the subject are either restricted or blocked by censors.[319] Banned literature and films include Summer Palace,[320] Forbidden City, Collection of June Fourth Poems,[citation needed] The Critical Moment: Li Peng diaries and any writings of Zhao Ziyang or his aide Bao Tong, including Zhao’s memoirs.
Print media that contain references to the protests must be consistent with the government’s version of events.[267] Domestic and foreign journalists are detained, harassed, or threatened, as are their Chinese colleagues and any Chinese citizens who they interview.[321] Thus, Chinese citizens are typically reluctant to speak about the protests because of potentially negative repercussions. Many young people who were born after 1980 are unfamiliar with the events and are therefore apathetic about politics. Youth in China are sometimes unaware of the events, the symbols which are associated with them such as the Tank Man,[322][323] or the significance of the date of the massacre 4 June itself.[324] Some older intellectuals no longer aspire to implement political change. Instead, they focus on economic issues.[325] Some political prisoners have refused to talk to their children about their involvement in the protests out of fear of putting them at risk.**
“Just watch that channel.” On that platform owned and operated by Google. Who were ousted previously for Project Butterfly, which was their move to illegally enter the Chinese Market. I say illegally, as Google, being an American company and major piece of the Global Spy network created under the Patriot Act, had no business working with an enemy of the State. Complying with Chinese censorship requirements and narrative control. The same Google who Alphabet were ordered to break up. Then found in contempt of court and now, miraculously still exist unchanged. My brother in Christ, from the bottom of my heart, please hear me. The corporate media we are consuming, whether produced through Legacy Media outlets owned by Billionaires. Or for Youtube, (also owned by Billionaires) is lying to all of us. That is why we are here, on Lemmy, a federated instance of a reddit clone. If I might offer a counter-narrative. Perhaps, this video you describe would exist as a token to show the tolerance of the Chinese government and their perceived modernity. They’re so well-known for their reactions to the mention of the single most globally derided act of barbarism against its own citizens. Despite the contrary being overwhelmingly well-documented and understood across academia. Or, maybe it is allowed to exist to benefit global corporatism by whitewashing the atrocities committed by China throughout the Tiananmen Square protests and Massacre. If we examine the global political climate we can deduce that the production of this content may serve the broader purpose of recontextualising global youth opinions of China. Potentially to ingratiate the Western Hemisphere into lifting the arms embargo between America/EU to China. Maybe to be timed at the heels of a global conflict driven by the collapse of the world’s reserve currency at the hands of billionaire sycophants created by Big Tech monopolies.
The same ones controlling the production, dissemination and censorship of all of the content on their platforms by virtue of being the capitalist owners of those that produce the unending novelty for the platform owners, for free. That also produce the algorithm that constantly feeds us tailored content, based on the massive profile of every single online activity, google search, voice note, photograph and recorded conversation that they have collected on all of us for the last quarter century. If there are people left by the end of this, there will be myths and legends about how humanity was manipulated into destroying itself. Using science meant to addict us, normalise loneliness and retrain our discourse to be innately combatant, disbelieving and adversarial. All because we are slaves to the mass hallucination. That fiat money actually exists and that it gives corporations power.
But that’s just like, you know, my opinion or whatever…
I love how y’all are still seething that your color revolution failed
- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html
- https://rumble.com/v233t44-tiananmen-square-chai-ling-hoping-to-cause-bloodshed.html
- https://johnmenadue.com/the-tiananmen-square-massacrethe-one-sided-story/
- https://mango-press.com/the-tiananmen-square-massacre-the-wests-most-persuasive-most-pervasive-lie/
- https://web.archive.org/web/20170706000928/https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php
You’re actually getting really close to the truth of it all when you mention how media in the West is corporate dominated, you just took that to an odd conclusion and think that there is censorship of criticism against China, and not the opposite. The truth is that the US government pays media billions of dollars to drum up anti-PRC narratives, as they want to pressure China into capitulation and opening up its markets for foreign dominance and not to its currently limited and highly controlled wiggle room. Moreover, the idea that every channel that is positive about China is propaganda is silly, when there’s known support for paid anti-China propaganda.
The CPC’s stance, and most Marxists in general, on Tian’anmen is that hundreds of protestors and PLA officers were killed in Beijing that day as the PLA advanced towards the square, but that the square itself was evacuated peacefully, which matches leaked US cables and the CPC’s official stance on what it calls the “June 4th incident”. This is a rejection of the commonly reported story in western media, such as BBC, of 10,000 people being killed on the square itself, which originated from a British diplomat’s cable. Said diplomat was later confirmed to have evacuated well before.
I reiterate, the CPC’s stance isn’t that the massacre didn’t happen, but that Western nations intentionally sensationalize the quantity of deaths and the character of the events. This is also why Western Nations don’t frequently report on the South Korean Gwang-Ju massacre that occured around the same era, where the South Korean millitary murdered thousands of High School and College students protesting against Chun Do-Hwan’s dictatorship. All of what I said is backed up by the Wikipedia page for Tian’anmen Square Protests and Massacre, such as Alan Donald revising his estimate from 10,000 to the low thousands yet BBC continuing to report the 10,000 figure:
In a disputed cable sent in the aftermath of the events at Tiananmen, British Ambassador Alan Donald initially claimed, based on information from a “good friend” in the State Council of China, that a minimum of 10,000 civilians died,[237] claims which were repeated in a speech by Australian Prime Minister Bob Hawke,[238] but which is an estimated number much higher than other sources provided.[239][240] After the declassification, former student protest leader Feng Congde pointed out that Donald later revised his estimate to 2,700–3,400 deaths, a number closer to, but still much higher than, other estimates.[241]
In your Wikipedia blurb, you mention that the CPC censors articles like these that report on a clearly mythologized version of events. Quite right, they do, because they don’t want foreign governments trying to destabilize China so that they can take advantage and plunder their industry freely. The alternative is to just let western media do as it likes, and be subject to yet another US-sponsered coup.
Hey, I appreciate the disclaimer at the top, it shows you care about this stuff, which is already a pretty good step.
Other comrades already provided you with links about Tiananmen Square. The only other two I can link here are this video debunking the western narrative by Hakim and this article about the Arab league’s conclusion after investigating Xinjiang.
With all that said, I think your conclusion is wrong. You are completely right when you say that media outlets and most of the internet are owned up by a handful of billionaires that control the narrative in their favor, including YouTube. But that doesn’t mean everything produced on these outlets are lies or wrong. On YouTube for example, despite the clear disadvantage, there are communists there subverting the machine to educate people on these issues you are speaking about.
Furthermore, your vision of China comes from these same media outlets you already rightfully criticized. I invite you to rethink what you have been told about China, and any other current socialist countries for that matter, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos and DPRK.
You can lurk or ask around on Lemmygrad if you’re curious and want to learn further about that.
get some new material troll
That’s literally China’s policies. The problem is most westerners are lied to about China’s model and it is just painted it as if Deng Xiaoping was an uber capitalist lover and turned China into a free market economy and that was the end of history.
The reality is that Deng Xiaoping was a classical Marxist so he wanted China to follow the development path of classical Marxism (grasping the large, letting go of the small) and not the revision of Marxism by Stalin (nationalizing everything), because Marxian theory is about formulating a scientific theory of socioeconomic development, so if they want to develop as rapidly as possible they needed to adhere more closely to Marxian economics.
Deng also knew the people would revolt if the country remained poor for very long, so they should hyper-focus on economic development first-of-foremost at all costs for a short period of time. Such a hyper-focus on development he had foresight to predict would lead to a lot of problems: environmental degradation, rising wealth inequality, etc. So he argued that this should be a two-step development model. There would be an initial stage of rapid development, followed by a second stage of shifting to a model that has more of a focus on high quality development to tackle the problems of the previous stage once they’re a lot wealthier.
The first stage went from Deng Xiaoping to Jiang Zemin, and then they announced they were entering the second phase under Hu Jintao and this has carried onto the Xi Jinping administration. Western media decried Xi an “abandonment of Deng” because western media is just pure propaganda when in reality this was Deng’s vision. China has switched to a model that no longer prioritizes rapid growth but prioritizes high quality growth.
One of the policies for this period has been to tackle the wealth inequality that has arisen during the first period. They have done this through various methods but one major one is huge poverty alleviation initiatives which the wealthy have been required to fund. Tencent for example “donated” an amount worth 3/4th of its whole yearly profits to government poverty alleviation initiatives. China does tax the rich but they have a system of unofficial “taxation” as well where they discretely take over a company through a combination of party cells and becoming a major shareholder with the golden share system and then make that company “donate” its profits back to the state. As a result China’s wealth inequality has been gradually falling since 2010 and they’ve become the #1 funder of green energy initiatives in the entire world.
The reason you don’t see this in western countries is because they are capitalist. Most westerners have an mindset that laws work like magic spells, you can just write down on a piece of paper whatever economic system you want and this is like casting a spell to create that system as if by magic, and so if you just craft the language perfectly to get the perfect spell then you will create the perfect system.
The Chinese understand this is not how reality works, economic systems are real physical machines that continually transform nature into goods and services for human conception, and so whatever laws you write can only meaningfully be implemented in reality if there is a physical basis for them.
The physical basis for political power ultimately rests in production relations, that is to say, ownership and control over the means of production, and thus the ability to appropriate all wealth. The wealth appropriation in countries like the USA is entirely in the hands of the capitalist class, and so they use that immense wealth, and thus political power, to capture the state and subvert it to their own interests, and thus corrupt the state to favor those very same capital interests rather than to control them.
The Chinese understand that if you want the state to remain an independent force that is not captured by the wealth appropriators, then the state must have its own material foundations. That is to say, the state must directly control its own means of production, it must have its own basis in economic production as well, so it can act as an independent economic force and not wholly dependent upon the capitalists for its material existence.
Furthermore, its economic basis must be far larger and thus more economically powerful than any other capitalist. Even if it owns some basis, if that basis is too small it would still become subverted by capitalist oligarchs. The Chinese state directly owns and controls the majority of all its largest enterprises as well as has indirect control of the majority of the minority of those large enterprises it doesn’t directly control. This makes the state itself by far the largest producer of wealth in the whole country, producing 40% of the entire GDP, no singular other enterprise in China even comes close to that.
The absolute enormous control over production allows for the state to control non-state actors and not the other way around. In a capitalist country the non-state actors, these being the wealth bourgeois class who own the large enterprises, instead captures the state and controls it for its own interests and it does not genuinely act as an independent body with its own independent interests, but only as the accumulation of the average interests of the average capitalist.
No law you write that is unfriendly to capitalists under such a system will be sustainable, and often are entirely non-enforceable, because in capitalist societies there is no material basis for them. The US is a great example of this. It’s technically illegal to do insider trading, but everyone in US Congress openly does insider trading, openly talks about it, and the records of them getting rich from insider training is pretty openly public knowledge. But nobody ever gets arrested for it because the law is not enforceable because the material basis of US society is production relations that give control of the commanding heights of the economy to the capitalist class, and so the capitalists just buy off the state for their own interests and there is no meaningfully competing power dynamic against that in US society.
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