Our community is so delicate. It could die if they see a bot watching a video.
You use a VPN? This pops up when my VPN is on.
No I don’t use a VPN
AI bots that are not google’s. They want exclusive ownership of juicy training data.
That doesn’t make sense though, since they can just create a bunch of free accounts for the bots to use.
What will it take to make PeerTube relevant enough that people will creat content and follow creatos on the fediverse?
The masses don’t know how to search for information anymore. Not only that, but they are unable to do so with the disparity of their understanding of the search engines and the current state of search engines. People are used to being fed information through an algorithm, and those who control the algorithm aren’t about to promote a competitor that’d take away their money.
Accessibility, usability, scalability at very, very large scale, actual searchability, and actual return on investment, because some people actually get money from youtube?
Actually, peertube, depending on the instance and the popularity of the content, can be incredibly frustrating for a viewer. And it can be frustrating to the content creator. Some people are quick to dismiss minor (and less minor) annoyances, are able to look for fixes, and so on, but for almost everyone? The experience is nightmareish, with incertain returns (or no returns at all, as it stands).
Once you fix all that, you might have a chance to convince larger entities to move to peertube. Well, more realistically, to host their own instance. Well, more realistically, to host multiple instances, because really some people would hammer the platform down with each video. See the issue yet?
I agree, but I didn’t really get the last point about hammering the platform.
Peer to peer viewing can only go so far. Some people, when they put a video out, get hundred of thousands of view in the span of a few minutes. This works relatively well on youtube, with a very large CDN (and probably some heuristics for big accounts). It is enough to hinder “smaller” platforms like dailymotion. It would just be a terrible experience on peertube as it is now, unless the creator preemptively mirrored it in many, many places beforehand.
Maybe the peer to peer aspect of it could sustain big amounts of viewers
Is it possible for creators to earn money on PeerTube? If not, maybe that’s what’s holding a lot of them back. And of course the fact that most people don’t know what PeerTube is. It should be easily accessible for everyone and have some kind of system to give the creators money. And make the switch from YouTube easy.
Most creators on YouTube make their main money from patreon/merch anyway. No reason you can’t do that on peertube.
Making money on merch/patreon can only happen once your channel is established though. Until then, YouTube creators are dependent on ad revenue to keep them going, and probably operate at a loss until they reach the point where they can supplement that ad revenue. Trying to get yourself established on a platform that doesn’t offer any ad revenue is a much harder sell.
As much as I like federation, stuff like nebula seems like a better solution.
Yeah I have a subscription there. I recommend it.
The issue is that nebula doesn’t offer the community aspect that YouTube offers
Start randomly insulting eachother and gaslight one another in comment sections. You’ll build up the hate in no time at all.
It’s not about the comments, it’s more about the creators creating the youtubesphere
It’s possible, but they have to implement the paywall or ad revenue by themselves. They are allowed to monetize, but it’s not necessarily trivial or even profitable, at this point.
Nothing.
There is a massive gap between the aspirations of online consumers, and actual consumer behavior.
People will never ever support creators, that’s the bottom line. People are greedly little fucks and they like it. Don’t fool yourself.
I say this as a former massive streamer will millions of watched hours. People. Are. Shit.
I think it has a lot to do with people not having enough money. I’d love to support every creator I like but its simply not possible. If we’d all earn enough money the creators would earn more as well.
Sorry, but I don’t think what you said is correct. People love supporting others and it happens all the time to many creators. Sorry your experience was negative.
Ive been seriously considering just deleting youtube and using nebula in place of youtube. Im just not sure if the subscription is worth it. I love the idea of no ads, supporting the creators directly, and not supporting google. Has anyone here tried nebula? Would love to hear your thoughts
I tried Nebula for a while and as the others said, it is worth it, but not enough to replace YouTube for me.
I spent a year with it, it wasn’t enough to completely replace youtube but if you have the money I definitely felt it was worth it. I only let it run out for money reasons
Great platform with a ton of amazing creators. Definitely worth a subscription, but not a full replacement for yt. Revanced can at least get rid of the ads/improve ux.
Would love to quit youtube if most of the people I watch move to Peertube or any other alternative, Like what happened to Twitter and people moved to Bsky
oh hey, that’s me! And the video is also on fedi! https://pawb.fun/@slyka/113028002924181756
Oh very nice! I never would have thought that it could be possible to play a CD like that. Your other videos on YouTube are also very cool and interesting.
@frittoBee it’s not really playing a CD, its cutting a groove like on a vinyl record into the CD and then playing it on a record player.
Turning a CD into the equivalent of a vynil. Now that’s something I never expected. Looks like a CD could fit maybe 3 tracks?
@ICastFist very very short ones maybe. Everything but the very outside edge is already outside of the range designed to be played on a regular turntable, so the surface speed is very low and the angle of the tone arm gets kinda extreme. My automatic turntable won’t play these at all unless you’re very careful since every quick movement of the tone arm that far in makes it think it’s hit the runout groove and stops playback.
@frittoBee@lemmy.world !mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
IMHO, it’s better to boycott and abandon Youtube (and other mainstream platforms) altogether, either prioritizing open alternatives (PeerTube) and/or prioritizing the consumption (and production) of static content (text and images).Regarding the open alternatives, it baffles me how Fediverse users often can recall of Invidious (and other workarounds) but can’t recall of a Fediverse platform, even when there are many PeerTube instances available out there, both general-purpose and niche instances.
Alongside the adoption of PeerTube and other open alternatives, the abandonment or de-prioritization of video formats is also interesting as a mentally-healthy option because video can’t help but deceive our brains into perceiving “something” that isn’t there (to better understand this, I recommend the René Magritte’s art “Ceci n’est pas une pipe” a.k.a. “The Treachery of Images”, as well as the René Descartes’s philosophy on the human senses). To make matters worse, YT and other corp video platforms are dopaminergic casinos, trapping users inside an ouroboric addiction of video feeds while creating the illusion of parasocial relationships (i.e. as if the gazillion-subscribers “influencer” were a personal friend/colleague/lover, when they’re not: each user is just another bitstream they both think they “see” amidst an unstoppable digital rain generated by a grid of three LEDs tailored to deceive our trio of retinal cones… but, well, this is a very bleak and digressing statement of mine).
Personally, It’s been a long while since I stopped accessing YouTube/TikTok videos. I used to publish my own videos, I used to be subscribed to hundreds of “channels” and I was even a paid “member” to specific YT channels. I abandoned it all and I rarely put myself into watching videos.
Yes, there’s a myriad of knowledge and content available only in motion picture format, and there is also the kind of knowledge that cannot be written as text or represented as a static image, and this is where open video platforms can thrive, but people, especially us Fediverse users, should advocate more for these alternatives such as PeerTube.
Of course, even PeerTube doesn’t solve the fact of how video unfortunately are perfect smoke-and-mirrors deceiving our naïve biological senses and making us overly used to fast and/or shallow content as we lose our own ability to read and write deep and lengthy texts such as this one. At the end of the day, humans are gradually ceding the ability to write, once extremely valued and valuable among humans, to Markov chain algorithms (a.k.a. LLMs), in part due to us getting more and more used to media formats. But, at least, PeerTube doesn’t try to trap us into an endless feed and doesn’t try to extort us or sell our personal data to countless partners/sponsors, so it’s way better than YouTube or any workarounds to continue accessing the Google’s dopaminergic casino.
The content is just not there, brother
@descartador@lemmy.eco.br !mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
Yeah, unfortunately. I’m aware of that… However, it’s both a Catch-22 situation and a self-fulfilling prophecy: content isn’t there, so people refrain from using it, but this leads to the very situation where the content isn’t there because they refrain from using it.
It seems curious to me how corporate solutions miraculously have the content, but open alternative haven’t. It’s not just the first-mover effect because TikTok also “have the content” and it came decades after YouTube. In fact, PeerTube first appeared in 2018, the same year when TikTok began to rank first in app stores.
This can be referred to as “The Cassandra Curse” seemingly inherent of open-source alternatives: people prefer migrating to corporate-owned Bluesky instead of going to Mastodon or Sharkey, because “Mastodon doesn’t have the content/people”. Sooner or later, the same people goes full SurprisedPickachu.jpg complaining when their favorite corporate platform eventually and inexorably goes rogue against their userbase.
And, even then, people prefer to pull the algorithmic Sisyphean boulder (Invidious, Grayjay just for accessing Youtube instead of the many other platforms it supports, etc) and mental gymnastics (“Google is evil but, hey, look, there’s a new Youtube video from Rossmann about how Google is evil” then proceeds to share some Youtube link that either requires logging in or requires one to find some working VPN/Invidious instance) instead of letting it go from a product sold by an company that explicitly calls themselves as “advertisement company” (Google). Both viewers and content creators continue to put their efforts and data inside a Walled Garden they often complain about.
That’s why the modern dystopia is getting worse as the time passes, because corporations noticed how easy it is to lure people into their Walled Garden and, once people are well-established inside, corps can do as they please: raise prices and/or starting to charge users, adding more ads, taking away or paywalling features (nods to +2K and 60fps videos) and content, and people will continue to sustain the abusive relationship… because the alternatives “don’t have content”.
I’m not against solutions such as Invidious or Grayjay (and I have nothing against Rossmann, much to the contrary), but to me, using Youtube through technical workarounds is just drinking the Kool-aid with extra steps.
Also… Vi que você faz parte da instância brasileira do Lemmy, também sou brasileiro. Devo apontar também à necessidade do Brasil ter uma plataforma própria/nacional de vídeos, seja pública ou não, principalmente pelo fato da Google (e por extensão Youtube) ser estadunidense e pelo fato de como os EUA têm tentado influenciar no cenário nacional (e o Brasil continuar dependendo de plataforma estadunidense como Google/Youtube e Meta/WhatsApp-Facebook definitivamente não ajuda na soberania brasileira).
Podemos fazer essa plataforma? Sou criador de conteúdo tambem e estou indo nessa direção.
Vamo que vamo
ThIs HeLpS pRoTeCt OuR cOmMuNiTy!!!
Youtube is not a ‘community.’ Fuck youtube.
No it is a community. It’s just that they’re lying that this is protecting it.
I would say it’s not a community just based on the fact that you can’t have any kind of actual conversation in the comments section. Commenting on YouTube videos is just screaming into the void.
Google is on an enshittification speed-run. Close-source Android, combine with ChromeOS. Advertise the crap out of YouTube, draconian login requirements. Wherever their income is coming from now, it isn’t from making products users want. Probably the military “AI” overseas contracts.
I’ve been de-Googling the last few years casually as functional replacements came along and I’m down to threads now, but the icing on the cake was their injecting an ad into a funeral ceremony stream from a church on YouTube. Sure, software-side, we all know why it happened, but just. No.
I’ve started getting captcha every time I do a Google search. Not sure what that’s about but it’s made the decision to pursue alternatives easy.
When you are forced to do captchas make sure you do them as badly as possible while appearing to be human!
These fuckers weren’t even paying attention to the “precision vs. accuracy” concept introduced in the first lecture in the one science class they had to take. Make them pay for their ignorance.
How does one do this?
Just pretend you are trying to bullshit what the objects you are identifying are as if you actually have no clue what you are supposed to be doing but you have learned basic ways to bullshit your way through. Imagine the captcha as the class you cared about LEAST in school and attempt to answer it as sloppily and half-assed as you can without getting kicked out of class.
We were born for this calling my friend. Fill out captchas the way society fulfills its promise to provide you with a stable future so you can flourish, I.E. don’t do that all just drown the conversation in meaningless almost sensible crap.
Ive been using bing. Not a fan of microsoft but so far it hasnt been too bad
I’m also mostly de-Googled now. I’m not signed in anywhere and don’t use most of the google stuff. It wasn’t really that hard since there are great alternatives. But saying no to YouTube and all the nice channels I’m following is really hard.
For youtube just use yt-dlp and download them, can be behind a vpn when you do it. Im not sure if that affects the creator making money though.
Try invidious.
The nice channels, those days are gone. The internet we knew has been destroyed or will be diminished to an annoying shadow pretty soon. If you had to put a % on what is now monitized or stripped for data what would it be?
what are you on about? there’s tons of amazing people on youtube
Then sign in and watch them. 😀
so what is the point of your comments?
If you don’t like YouTube with ads then simply don’t use it. Your life can exist without it.
You’re on a community chat board, people comment. Do you really have to be so grouchy? At least I am here part of the conversation. If you wanna be angry point it at YouTube/google etc not randoms on the internet. I can be cynical but it’s lesser than other things I could be.
The primitive technology guy is still going. Wish I could afford the land to try some of the things he does.
Yes. It’s been this way for about a year now.
Fucking sucks. I used to enjoy looking at YouTube while signed out so that I could see new content that my algorithm refuses to show me. Now I can’t.
I can still watch videos logged out most of the time. That message only appears occasionally and when it does I use Celluloid or Freetube to watch the video.
I wonder what sort of demographics are effected by this, because it’s the first I’ve heard of it and I semi-regularly browse while signed out.
Yeah I’ll frequently pop a private window when watching something I don’t want mucking with my recommendations and I’ve only ever been prompted to sign in for age verification
invidious skips this pesky bullshit
I am using a web browser too access Youtube and I don’t have to log in to access videos.
LMAO at the irony of YouTube taking a stand against bot scraping as if that isn’t Google’s entire business model.
And every comment section on YouTube being filled with bots, tons of channels run only with AI etc.
Its always the same when some big tech company says its to protect you or the community.
We are here to Protect and Serve ads
“protect”, more like “corral”
Switching the VPN server helps for me sometimes
Yeah sometimes I gotta do annoying ass captchas because of this
