• Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      No don’t you dare stop the circlejerk! /s

      But seriously phone numbers were broken into chunks of three to four digits to even make them something we could remember. Is it so terrible my brain has more space to remember other things instead of strings of numbers?

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        There are valid arguments for knowing how to use a paper map. We’re fortunate that GPS was opened up to the world, and we’ve flourished for it, but one very bad solar storm and it’s possible we’ll be back to paper for regional and farther navigation.

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          A gps is a paper map on the computer with the feature that shows your location on the map.

          There’s nothing to learn. The gps voice prompt takes the place of the passenger who’s job it was to voice prompt you.

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            I don’t doubt they would be able to figure it out, but we must at least acknowledge it’s not plug-and-play. If one doesn’t know their way around, paper maps take some planning. The paper map won’t announce the next upcoming turn in 2 miles. It definitely takes some learning to use.

            I was curious to see if someone has ever documented this experience and I was rewarded with this video: https://youtu.be/sr9hQ_tDLP0

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          And the vast majority of people will have no problem using a road Atlas… Once they find out it exists. It won’t be the optimal route but getting from one cross street to another is very intuitive if you ever looked at the screen in Google maps.

          Navigating a countryside or understanding topological maps is a lost cause but even back in the 80s like two weirdos knew how to do that.

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        They were also semi structured. All my school-friends started with the same first area code and first chunk. I just had to know where they lived and remember the last 4 digits.

        Mobile Phone numbers were randomly generated, and unless a social group deliberately got sequential numbers because we all got our phones at the same time, there would be no way to associate numbers.

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      I mean, if no one has a cell phone almost everyone in your daily life only required 4 digits to remember. The first 6 numbers was the same for the whole town.

      “Area codes” were a big deal, even Ludacris made a song about being so famous, he knew women from multiple geographic locations.

      Maps were there in case of emergencies, nowadays people gps to the same office they’ve been driving to for a decade. But that’s more about random traffic conditions.

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      Wait, people copied birthdays over each year? We just had one normal yearly calendar and one special birthday calendar that could be used for multiple years. I still use the birthday calendar which has accumulated more names of people I don’t speak to anymore or have died than actual living friends and relatives.

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      The Rolodex was only for less common phone numbers and most people had 10+ phone numbers memorized

      You can use the map as a reference but people didn’t use it for drives around town as it is much harder to constantly being referencing a map compared to a gps. Even when people did use Mapquest they would do things like read 2.8 miles make a right on X St and then make a left in 0.2 miles on Y st and look at their odometer and hold the thought in their head that they are looking for X st

      And while people did put birthdays on a calendar it meant that they had a paper calendar that they were regularly checking to see what is happening in the future instead of relying on constantly being told that something is happening which while that may sound trivial is a huge distinction in terms of mental processing.

      Memory is a very important thing and as time has progressed we have added more and more crutches which help prevent people from forgetting, help the differently abled, and expand our capacity by orders of magnitude but that comes at the expense of a lack of using one’s memory and critical thinking.

      What the long term consequences of that are is still up in the air. some preliminary studies have shown “brain rot” but they have had pretty terrible methods and nothing that I would treat as any sort of fact. I however don’t personally see a scenario where it’s positive in anyway and countless studies with the elderly have shown that having a less active mind leads to mental degradation

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    I memorize important numbers

    I don’t use GPS after the first time going to a place and remember my routes

    Facebook? what… ? people actually use that?

    I won’t use AI…my information stays with me, in my mind when I need it. I can’t rely on others, I won’t rely on computers to be there when I need it and that most certainly applies to ai

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        I’m probably older than both of you. I use gps constantly even when I know the route. It’s safer to focus on the road than think about the route.

        People didn’t use to memorize numbers. They used little private address books that you wrote your numbers in. Moving that text to a computer screen changed nothing for the majority of people.

        I don’t use Facebook but I didn’t use Myspace either.

        I don’t use AI but I have nothing against it. I used it once to write some code in VBscript which is a language that would be a complete waste of time to learn. It saved dozens of hours.

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          I let my Phone (and CarPlay) map my route for me; but I do like throwing a spanner in its workings by deliberately taking a wrong turn to explore.

          Previously, I would do the same, but then I would have to pull over and spend 15 minutes browsing the Street Directly trying to figure out where I was before I was able to continue my journey.

          Having a frictionless (and relatively) safe way of exploring has empowered me.

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    https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1446354

    The invention of writing will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom.

    Socrates

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      This is one thing I tell people about math. Like, yes, we have amazing calculators in our pockets everywhere we go, and in the real world we will likely never need to do more complex math than, like, seventh grade algebra, and even that would be a rarity.

      But that brain-crushing, painful learning of the process of math and how to compute is like power-lifting for your brain.

      If you can power through that and train your brain to learn something as obstrusly taught as modern mathematics, then that will make all of the other learning things that you have to do in your life 100 times easier.

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        Another important thing is knowing when to use maths. I’ve been doing some statistical analysis for a personal project lately and it struck me that without those tedious lessons I’d have no idea this was even possible, never mind how to do it.

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        As someone with a math degree it frustrates me that people always say “but when will I use this in the real world?” Whether or not you need that math in the real world the real value in learning math is learning how to approach problems in an organized, specific, and detail oriented process. The process of learning formal logic and following through to the end is a very important skill for people to have. Instead, it’s all about “how do I get to the answer?” There’s a reason why 75% of your score in higher level math is your work and not your answer. The work is what matters

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      Been a bit guess it’s time for that series again.

      The Dark Tower by Stephen King for those that aren’t familiar with it. It’s a lot more ‘weird’ than say what you’d expect from his horror novels. I think it’s probably closer to the old strange stories from magazines way back in the day. I think that’s a major reason I like it. Oh not to spoil much (it’s like 7 books this comes out in the 2nd or so so by page count the intro) Evidently I f’ed up the tags so didn’t work as a spoiler I’ll add spaces just in case.

      ::: small spoiler here

      It’s a multiverse story which is way better than you may think, if you like that thing, I do and wish I realized a decade or two sooner

      :::

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    Good idea to recognize, but bad examples.

    The issue isn’t even using devices to replace cognitive functions. That’s anprim shit, I’m not gonna do 5 digit numbers on my head, imma use a calculator, especially if it’s something important or there are stakes to getting it wrong.

    The issue more than anything is agency.

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    Spell check is one of those.
    Writing our own letters. That was actually a skill

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    Stored phone numbers and GPS sre reliable though. I never remembered most numbers or birthdays anyway due to ADHD, so those being easily accessible was a benefit.

    GPS directions also include construction and more accurate time estimates. I never learned alternate routes because remembering the ones I knew was enough effort and I still learn those. Going to new cities is way easier now!

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    I know about 4 phone numbers by memory:

    1. My childhood home phone
    2. My childhood best friend’s home phone
    3. My cell phone
    4. My ex-wife’s cell phone

    Two of those numbers no longer work, so if I ever go to jail there is only one person I can call. 😬

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    How to hard boil eggs.

    The internet makes us dumb. Why bother remembering anything when you can just look it up?

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      Counterpoint: The internet makes us smart because we can learn how to do anything we need to do when we need to do it. We still need experts for a lot of things, but simple home repairs? Plant care? How to properly separate a wash? et cetera. In fact I’d argue the things that we do regularly we do remember because we do them regularly. Just like we used to memorize phone numbers because calling them was something we did regularly we have different things we can do regularly now and get adept at instead of remembering numbers. The access to information has cut out the middle-man so to speak. I spent half my life not knowing how to properly separate laundry, or how to cook certain meals, because I didn’t have anyone available to teach me. I was able to self-teach through the internet. Why is looking it up so bad if you grew up with dipshit parents who didn’t know how to do anything or teach you anything before the internet was around? Hell, the internet has even taught me what the right tools are for the job I’m trying to do which is a huge aspect of any type of DIY.

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        I constantly google food weight + oven temp = what cook time?

        Pretty sure our grandmas just had a printed out chart for that kind of thing.

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    If smart glasses with heads-up displays become normalized, you will eventually have married couples that don’t remember each other’s names.

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    This is /possibly/ part of a long term trend of decreasing human reliance on brainpower.

    Brain size doesn’t neatly correlate to intelligence, but it’s still kind of used as a proxy, over human evolution. It gets bigger for a long time, then starts getting smaller again, starting maybe 20k-3k years ago.

    This has been attributed to group size, agriculture, writing or statistical error. So maybe it’s not a thing.